posted 11-03-2008 08:27 PM            

I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting Sancho's parting volley. It is located in the thread about the Grogan Lawsuit.

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George, You do whatever you want to do it's your board.

Remember, YOUR assertions and your behavior is what puts your credibility into play in discussions about polygraph.

You have ignored every single personal attack made against me by your boorish ill-informed yes men and yet chide me publicly for what you perceive to be the slightest infraction of some code of conduct that you evidently feel only applies to those who disagree with your point of view.

If you will go back and review my posting history you will find that I initially confined my comments to civil discourse. You should also note that when attacks against me on this board began, YOU failed to act or even respond to my complaints even when I contacted you both privately and publicly.

Thus ignored, I determined I should be absolved of any consequences if I decided to respond in kind.

Right now I am the only person appearing regularly on this board to present an opposing point of view. Everyone else has written you off after 8 years of "nothing has changed" as ineffective and inconsequential, in your quest to alter the laws or substantly affect procedure regarding polygraph. I tend to agree with them on most of that. The only real difference is I care that the potential careers of people scared enough or foolish enough to follow your ill-conceived plan are being destroyed by your bad advice and immoral position that lying on a polygraph is justifiable because years ago you got your feelings hurt when you failed an exam.

If you grow tired of hearing my same old responses maybe all of you should just stop making the same old tired comments and asking the same silly questions.

Sancho Panza

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Sancho said he was going to take a short break but that he may return in a different persona in the future.

I for one will miss him. sniff sniff

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Ex scientia veritas

posted 11-04-2008 03:06 PM            

1. John Grogan enjoys no actual polygraph peer support, and that based on his own prior conduct of fraud as determined by Judge Paul M. Hogan in 10/02 all of his licenses were revoked-------- which equates to his pobably NOT being then accepted to most APA approved polygraph schools, and certainly NOT the APA itself, or APA recognized State organizations. Grogan therefore began PEOA as a cover organization and web based fraud plus a mail order Sally Stuthers-esque certificate by mail to be a supposed Examiner / instant Examiner. He further used PEOA membership as pseudo credential for these 45 lb. box boys and girls in what is no less than a pyramid scheme by the which Grogan gets a referal fee of $95.00 from his controlled $395.00 set specific issue test price. NOTE: In most STates it takes $400.00 or more the prosecute felony fraud.

2. By ANY actual PDD school's standards; Grogan has not performed actual polygraph tests. Merely owning polygraph equipment and knowing the MGQT format does not make one an Examiner. Neither Grogan's charts or test questions would meet the minimum standards, nor would you the reader or any other examiner be able to perform numeric chart evaluation on them. Therefore, Grogan is nothing more than a Chameleon / imposter who can not stand up to being the long term real deal. The result is that the PEOA and Grogan leave the consumer with fraudulent tests performed, and we all pay for it in the end.

3. In regard to Ralph H.; it is clear that he is historically a journalist and webmaster covering polygraph issues long before he ever became an Examiner. Further, as a journalist, Grogan is nothing less than a controversial figure and a known documented fraud in the P.I. community. Ralph's Attorney should place Ralph solidly behind the 1st Amendment as Ralph is clearly NOT a competitor of Grogan's.

4. Trimarco has a very good faith basis for making the comments he did, and as the head of the Ethics committee of CAPE; he had the right to speak for both our organization, as well as the legitimate polygraph community. Whether Grogan's findings of fraud were civil vs. criminal; his statements were made in good faith. There does exist Better Business Bureau complaints about Grogan, as well as a growing list of consumers who have been ripped off by his cronies in PEOA.

5. To date, the APA, NPA, nor any State organization representing the legitimate polygraph profession has taken ANY known measure to fight these Malignant Tumors, Parasites, and Frauds as represented by PEOA and John Grogan. WHY ????????????
Jack Trimarco, Ralph Hilliard, and Joe Paolella, and others; have stood up and need to be supported in the protection of this profession both financially and morally. I am proud to call them my friends and peers, and will and have stood behind that with my wallet. Are there any others as motivated to do the right thing, or will they just sit back and Hope someone else deals with it ???

TheNoLieGuy4u